{"id":65812,"date":"2025-07-27T11:31:13","date_gmt":"2025-07-27T18:31:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.enxmag.com\/twii\/?p=65812"},"modified":"2025-07-28T08:24:32","modified_gmt":"2025-07-28T15:24:32","slug":"the-ideal-partner-mike-marusic-positions-sharp-to-be-catalyst-for-dealer-growth","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.enxmag.com\/twii\/channel-insight\/2025\/07\/the-ideal-partner-mike-marusic-positions-sharp-to-be-catalyst-for-dealer-growth\/","title":{"rendered":"The Ideal Partner: Mike Marusic Positions Sharp to Be Catalyst for Dealer Growth"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>The office technology industry is changing, and Mike Marusic is focused on seeing how it takes shape. He\u2019s no doctor, but the president and CEO of Sharp Imaging and Information Company of America is determined to take the industry\u2019s pulse, especially at the field level. He wants to be out in the trenches, speaking with dealer executives and their teams, to have a more granular feel for what Sharp resellers are seeing and hearing. It\u2019s not about what Marusic wants to hear as much as it\u2019s about what he needs to hear. And hitting the road is the best way to accomplish this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"610\" height=\"640\" src=\"https:\/\/www.enxmag.com\/twii\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Mike_Marusic_cropped.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-65815\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.enxmag.com\/twii\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Mike_Marusic_cropped.jpg 610w, https:\/\/www.enxmag.com\/twii\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Mike_Marusic_cropped-286x300.jpg 286w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 610px) 100vw, 610px\" \/><figcaption>Mike Marusic, Sharp Imaging and Information Company of America<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Prepare for a different Sharp National Dealer Meeting come October. The fact that it\u2019s in Orlando, Florida, and not Las Vegas somewhat foreshadows Marusic\u2019s plan to make the event less showy and more tactical. The company\u2019s successful road shows earlier this year crystallized his thinking about the optimal approach in hosting effective dealer meetings. Marusic doesn\u2019t want to spend too much time telling his dealers how great the OEM is\u2014he\u2019s preaching to the choir. He\u2019d rather dive head-first into the challenges and opportunities that confront reseller partners and put them in the best position to enjoy success.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Marusic checked in for a chat with ENX Magazine from an airport conference room\u2014he\u2019d been visiting with a well-known dealer. He shared his views on how dealers can continue to leverage Sharp\u2019s full product and service complement, which for the past year has included production print in addition to copiers, displays and Dynabook laptops. With AI, tariffs, consolidation and other hot-button issues grabbing headlines, he\u2019s tuning out the excess noise, instead focusing on what Sharp needs to do in order to continue growing alongside reseller partners.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-vivid-cyan-blue-color has-text-color\"><strong>How did Sharp perform during the most recent fiscal year, and what were some of the variables that influenced it? How did expectations compare with results?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Marusic<\/strong>: Our fiscal 2024 campaign was flat year over year for the core document business. There was slight growth in terms of market share. We had been growing at 5%\u20137%\u201310% clips, so we really wanted to focus on profitability as our primary driver. Our other businesses, display and Dynabook, really did well. In fact, Dynabook saw huge growth. For us, it was really about making sure our foundations would be strong. We didn\u2019t really chase deals at the end of March [fiscal year end], which is a very popular thing to do. That\u2019s usually where the swing occurs. Many [competitors] just give [product] away in March. But we chose to focus on really strong profitability, and that showed through in our financials.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-vivid-cyan-blue-color has-text-color\"><strong>Given the volatility of tariffs, what\u2019s been the messaging you\u2019ve shared with your dealer partners?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Marusic<\/strong>: Starting back in January, we were prepping the dealers with monthly updates regarding our thoughts on tariffs to give them an idea about what to expect. Obviously, it\u2019s nearly impossible to predict. Once things locked in during April with the announced flat 10% tariffs, it provided some cost certainty. We shared our pricing strategies with the dealers, which included a price increase on the hardware products. However, we maintained our supply pricing, having made the decision to let Sharp absorb that cost.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It was important to maintain constant communication and let dealers know what to expect from Sharp. We did a number of webinars with our dealers. We had a bulletin with all the information, and then we walked them through it to let them know what our thinking was and how we\u2019re going to move forward. We told them that as situations change, here\u2019s how we\u2019re going to react to each change so that they can anticipate it in their own businesses. What I found, certainly through the supply chain crisis, is that dealers really helped us get through it by making their adjustments. By being open with them, it prevented a lot of problems.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>We\u2019re fortunate to have Dino Pagliarello, who truly knows production print, which allowed us to think\u2014as a new entry\u2014how to do things differently.<\/p><cite>\u2014 Mike Marusic, Sharp<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>One thing that came to light was just how many OEMs are still getting product from China. In the last couple years, companies declared they had exited China. But then when the tariffs came in, it revealed they weren\u2019t entirely out of that country. We all get products out of that market. Most OEMs have done their main production outside of China, but there are always components, finishers, paper trays and the like that are made there. So it poses a challenge for all of us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-vivid-cyan-blue-color has-text-color\"><strong>What stands out as some of the watershed moments for Sharp over the past 12 months? What resonated the most with you?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Marusic<\/strong>: Our road shows provide us with the best guidance of what\u2019s happening in the dealer community. In doing four shows, we get smaller groups of dealers, and that gives us an opportunity to find out what the sales managers, reps and service managers are thinking. Being able to spend time with them is invaluable. It provides instant feedback, so when we\u2019re having a discussion, I can see if maybe I\u2019m not explaining something correctly, or maybe they\u2019re not liking what I\u2019m saying. That\u2019s really productive.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Our entry into production print last August\/September was pivotal. For Sharp, that\u2019s a category we hadn\u2019t competed in previously. We have large dealers that wanted us in that space. Having a product that\u2019s considered the industry gold standard really put us in a good spot with our dealers. We\u2019re seeing the value of that right now, and the major end-user accounts that it\u2019s getting us into is really opening up different doors. I think it\u2019s changing the perception of Sharp in a lot of people\u2019s minds.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-vivid-cyan-blue-color has-text-color\"><strong>What has the production print experience shown you so far?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Marusic<\/strong>: We\u2019ve learned a lot since we got into the space. We\u2019re fortunate to have Dino Pagliarello, who truly knows production print, which allowed us to think\u2014as a new entry\u2014how to do things differently. Our white-glove delivery and an extra level of service helped us get into the space the right way, and it\u2019s added value. It\u2019s also a tremendous value to the dealer. On the flip side, we have to deal with the longer sales cycle. We\u2019ll hold a VIP session at our Montvale headquarters, and it might be six months later by the time we close the sale. The buyer\u2019s decision process is very deliberate and specific. A six- or eight-month selling cycle is a lot longer than I would have anticipated, but now we\u2019ve reached the period where all that work is coming to fruition. Dino was pretty dead-on when he told me that\u2019s how it was going to work. That was probably the difference for me in understanding that category.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-vivid-cyan-blue-color has-text-color\"><strong>Sharp\u2019s National Dealer Meeting is on tap for October in Orlando. Can you provide us with a preview of the tone and direction dealers can expect to hear?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Marusic<\/strong>: In the past, we liked to get on stage and pontificate about Sharp, and there\u2019s a place for that. We have a lot of good things to talk about, but sometimes we get caught up in the production value, so to speak. When I hit the road and visit dealers, the questions I\u2019m getting are more strategic and involve Sharp\u2019s tactics versus, \u201cHey, tell me all the great things about Sharp.\u201d They really want to understand how AI\u2019s going to impact our business and how they\u2019re going to diversify their portfolio, which everybody talks about and we\u2019ve been pitching. But it\u2019s not about telling them we\u2019re going to do AI and diversification. The key is they want to understand how we\u2019re going to do it. You don\u2019t get that level of discourse from a pomp-and-circumstance type meeting. When I look at the productivity of a road show and the follow-up, I\u2019m looking at blending the best of both shows. How do I get the overarching spirit of the national meeting while still getting into the road-show-level specifics that the dealers crave? I want our dealers to learn what they should do next and how we can help them. That\u2019s really going to be the key focus for this meeting.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-vivid-cyan-blue-color has-text-color\"><strong>Ricoh recently announced it would be offering Brother A4 equipment. What\u2019s your view of the evolving manufacturer landscape, and what does it mean for Sharp?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Marusic<\/strong>: I don\u2019t think it\u2019s any big revelation for a manufacturer to sell other manufacturers\u2019 products. It\u2019s less of a shocker in the Sharp community because of our other categories, such as Dynabook and display, where this is the norm. I try to avoid commenting on what others are doing from a strategy standpoint. Our focus is really about reinvesting in R&amp;D, bringing our own products to market and investing in software. At our dealer meeting in October, visitors can see new products, software and continued investments. We\u2019re going to continue to commit dollars to A4 and building out our own A4 product line. That\u2019s the commitment dealers want to see.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>For us, the question is, how do we leverage AI to make our products better? How do we leverage AI to make our dealers service their products better? People who attend our meeting in October are going to see a lot of those tools being delivered to dealers that will allow them to maximize the efficiency of their fleets, their service people and the machines themselves.<\/p><cite>\u2014 Mike Marusic, Sharp<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Consolidation is inevitable. Everyone knows how I love to say the agreement all OEMs have \u201cthat there\u2019s going to be consolidation and we\u2019re going to be one of the last three or four [companies] standing.\u201d We do feel that we\u2019re definitely going to be one of the last ones standing, just based on the actions we are taking versus where we see others heading. While everybody thinks they\u2019re going to survive, I take a step back and look at the overarching plan and say, is Sharp a company that\u2019s willing to make the investments to continue to build out the business? Or are we taking chips off the table? During our factory meetings, we weren\u2019t having conversations about cost cutting and things like that. The conversations centered on how we can drive business over the next 5 or 10 years. Where do you see the business in 10 years and where will we be investing? I think we\u2019re in a good spot, and so are our dealers. We\u2019re beginning to see a lot more of the mega dealers and dealers who carry other lines beginning to take a hard look at the landscape. They\u2019re starting to shift their business our way because they really see us as a more of a long-term player. That\u2019s really what we\u2019ve got to focus on: what we can do to deliver for our dealers? We\u2019ll let everyone else worry about their strategies and what they\u2019re going to do.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-vivid-cyan-blue-color has-text-color\"><strong>Talk a little about the role AI will play in future Sharp technologies.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Marusic<\/strong>: AI is going to have two impacts on our industry and on Sharp\/Sharp dealers. Dealers should be engaging with AI in how they conduct their business and their day-to-day activities. You\u2019ve got to make sure that AI is delivering accurate information\u2014that is the big risk. I think it\u2019s going to be a tremendous tool for dealers to automate a lot of their processes and streamline their businesses. I think the other part is really what AI can deliver on the product end. At the last dealer meeting, I received some criticism for saying that we\u2019re not going to be leading the way in AI. But the same holds true for any copier manufacturer. The level of investments required to lead the way in AI is bigger than the industry. For us, the question is, how do we leverage AI to make our products better? How do we leverage AI to make our dealers service their products better? People who attend our meeting in October are going to see a lot of those tools being delivered to dealers that will allow them to maximize the efficiency of their fleets, their service people and the machines themselves. Once that door opens, dealers are going to see more and more opportunities for themselves. We have other products such as the Dynabook, where we already have AI functionality in the form of a dual processor and an AI button that activates other tools. In our display business, we\u2019re trying to build a platform that allows all our devices to communicate. AI can accelerate that so fast, and that\u2019s really going to be a tool for the dealers who love the service model to get into those businesses; now there\u2019s a revenue opportunity in the aftermarket on the support side by leveraging AI tools in markets that didn\u2019t have them before. It\u2019s going to be a wild couple of years with AI. We\u2019re all trying to figure out what the best investment is. It\u2019s moving so fast, and companies don\u2019t want to spend a lot of money developing something and then have Microsoft come out with a better version of it built into Windows or Outlook. Where you find your place is really going to be the challenge.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-vivid-cyan-blue-color has-text-color\"><strong>What will be the keys to garnering a greater market share moving forward?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Marusic<\/strong>: I look at market share as a post-mortem report on how well you executed your plan. Chasing market share for market share\u2019s sake is actually quite easy, but you can lose money quickly while doing it. What we really want to do is execute our plan. We believe that having the right products and approach to the market, how we treat our dealers and focusing more on training them is going to drive the behavior that we\u2019re seeking. As we develop our diversification strategy and strengthen our dealers, and as consolidation happens\u2014and it will\u2014I\u2019m confident we\u2019re going to capture share because others will have gone away.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"610\" height=\"602\" src=\"https:\/\/www.enxmag.com\/twii\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/PI5A8727.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-65816\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.enxmag.com\/twii\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/PI5A8727.jpg 610w, https:\/\/www.enxmag.com\/twii\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/PI5A8727-300x296.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 610px) 100vw, 610px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>One of the things that will drive people away is lack of profitability. We\u2019re a profitable company, and we can make those necessary investments. Those who can\u2019t will cut back on product development and slowly wither away. We want to be a very profitable business going forward. I joke internally that our job is to be steady and profitable for the next two years and let others fall away. Then there\u2019s a demand dash for the share. I\u2019ve read about companies that vow to go after market share. Then the parent company\u2019s financials come out a month later, and they lose a ton of money. That\u2019s not a long-term viable strategy. I feel that being profitable and driving the business will gain us share. That\u2019s what we\u2019ve done; we\u2019ve doubled our share in the last seven years. And we did it not by saying we\u2019re going to double our share. We did it by taking the right steps, one at a time, and putting our dealers in the right spot. It\u2019s worked so far, and we\u2019re going to keep doing that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-vivid-cyan-blue-color has-text-color\"><strong>What\u2019s going to be the key to having a successful second half of 2025? What are some of the metrics you use to gauge success beyond the numbers?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Marusic<\/strong>: The continued development of our production print program is probably my top priority. It\u2019s a significant investment for the company. We\u2019ve done all the right things, we\u2019ve worked on blocking and tackling. This is now the second half, and we are passing the 6\u20138 months it takes to build a real pipeline, so now is when we begin to start seeing volume. We need to ensure we\u2019re on track to build out that business. It\u2019s really centered on how many dealers we can support effectively and do the proper job. It\u2019s also about not oversaturating the market and making sure the dealers who commit to us are highly profitable as a result. Production is one of the few areas where there\u2019s actually a unit number goal that will determine, for me, whether we executed our plan. We had that number set up a year ago and determined how we\u2019re going to build toward it. That\u2019s really the metric\u2014did we execute correctly?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Everyone talks about diversification. I\u2019m not overly concerned about how a dealer defines it; sometimes it\u2019s with another Sharp product, such as our displays or laptops, but sometimes it\u2019s not. My biggest concern is making sure the dealers have a long-term plan and strategy to make themselves stronger. If a dealer chooses not to partner with Sharp on a diversification strategy, that\u2019s OK, just as long as they\u2019re doing something. If they\u2019re strong as a dealership, and we do our job on the document side, I\u2019m confident we\u2019ll align at some point. But if they\u2019re weakened and not doing well, if they can\u2019t execute, it really doesn\u2019t matter what services we provide. So it\u2019s important to me to make sure that dealers are diversifying.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\"><p>If a dealer chooses not to partner with Sharp on a diversification strategy, that\u2019s OK, just as long as they\u2019re doing something. If they\u2019re strong as a dealership, and we do our job on the document side, I\u2019m confident we\u2019ll align at some point. But if they\u2019re weakened and not doing well, if they can\u2019t execute, it really doesn\u2019t matter what services we provide.<\/p><cite>\u2014 Mike Marusic, Sharp<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>We\u2019re seeing where we fit. Displays have always been a core part of our diversification strategy. From my standpoint, if we have more dealers offering displays or Dynabooks, we\u2019ll be very successful. Our dealer share of Dynabook has dramatically increased. Same thing in displays; the share of the MFP channel in displays has increased every year for the last five years. That\u2019s great progress. So for me, it\u2019s less about the actual dollars and more about seeing those dealers adopting those products and increasing their activity. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The office technology industry is changing, and Mike Marusic is focused on seeing how it takes shape. He\u2019s no doctor, but the president and CEO of Sharp Imaging and Information Company of America is determined to take the industry\u2019s pulse, especially at the field level. He wants to be out in the trenches, speaking with dealer executives and their teams, to have a more granular feel for what Sharp resellers are seeing and hearing. It\u2019s not about what Marusic wants to hear as much as it\u2019s about what he needs to hear. And hitting the road is the best way to accomplish this. Prepare for a different Sharp National Dealer Meeting come October. The fact that it\u2019s in Orlando, Florida, and not Las Vegas somewhat foreshadows Marusic\u2019s plan to make the event less showy and more tactical. The company\u2019s successful road shows earlier this year crystallized his thinking about the optimal approach in hosting effective dealer meetings. Marusic doesn\u2019t want to spend too much time telling his dealers how great the OEM is\u2014he\u2019s preaching to the choir. He\u2019d rather dive head-first into the challenges and opportunities that confront reseller partners and put them in the best position to enjoy success. Marusic checked in for a chat with ENX Magazine from an airport conference room\u2014he\u2019d been visiting with a well-known dealer. He shared his views on how dealers can continue to leverage Sharp\u2019s full product and service complement, which for the past year has included production print in addition to copiers, displays and Dynabook laptops. With AI, tariffs, consolidation and other hot-button issues grabbing headlines, he\u2019s tuning out the excess noise, instead focusing on what Sharp needs to do in order to continue growing alongside reseller partners. How did Sharp perform during the most recent fiscal year, and what were some of the variables that influenced it? How did expectations compare with results? Marusic: Our fiscal 2024 campaign was flat year over year for the core document business. There was slight growth in terms of market share. We had been growing at 5%\u20137%\u201310% clips, so we really wanted to focus on profitability as our primary driver. Our other businesses, display and Dynabook, really did well. In fact, Dynabook saw huge growth. For us, it was really about making sure our foundations would be strong. We didn\u2019t really chase deals at the end of March [fiscal year end], which is a very popular thing to do. That\u2019s usually where the swing occurs. Many [competitors] just give [product] away in March. But we chose to focus on really strong profitability, and that showed through in our financials. Given the volatility of tariffs, what\u2019s been the messaging you\u2019ve shared with your dealer partners? Marusic: Starting back in January, we were prepping the dealers with monthly updates regarding our thoughts on tariffs to give them an idea about what to expect. Obviously, it\u2019s nearly impossible to predict. Once things locked in during April with the announced flat 10% tariffs, it provided some cost certainty. We shared our pricing strategies with the dealers, which included a price increase on the hardware products. However, we maintained our supply pricing, having made the decision to let Sharp absorb that cost. It was important to maintain constant communication and let dealers know what to expect from Sharp. We did a number of webinars with our dealers. We had a bulletin with all the information, and then we walked them through it to let them know what our thinking was and how we\u2019re going to move forward. We told them that as situations change, here\u2019s how we\u2019re going to react to each change so that they can anticipate it in their own businesses. What I found, certainly through the supply chain crisis, is that dealers really helped us get through it by making their adjustments. By being open with them, it prevented a lot of problems. We\u2019re fortunate to have Dino Pagliarello, who truly knows production print, which allowed us to think\u2014as a new entry\u2014how to do things differently. \u2014 Mike Marusic, Sharp One thing that came to light was just how many OEMs are still getting product from China. In the last couple years, companies declared they had exited China. But then when the tariffs came in, it revealed they weren\u2019t entirely out of that country. We all get products out of that market. Most OEMs have done their main production outside of China, but there are always components, finishers, paper trays and the like that are made there. So it poses a challenge for all of us. What stands out as some of the watershed moments for Sharp over the past 12 months? What resonated the most with you? Marusic: Our road shows provide us with the best guidance of what\u2019s happening in the dealer community. In doing four shows, we get smaller groups of dealers, and that gives us an opportunity to find out what the sales managers, reps and service managers are thinking. Being able to spend time with them is invaluable. It provides instant feedback, so when we\u2019re having a discussion, I can see if maybe I\u2019m not explaining something correctly, or maybe they\u2019re not liking what I\u2019m saying. That\u2019s really productive. Our entry into production print last August\/September was pivotal. For Sharp, that\u2019s a category we hadn\u2019t competed in previously. We have large dealers that wanted us in that space. Having a product that\u2019s considered the industry gold standard really put us in a good spot with our dealers. We\u2019re seeing the value of that right now, and the major end-user accounts that it\u2019s getting us into is really opening up different doors. I think it\u2019s changing the perception of Sharp in a lot of people\u2019s minds. What has the production print experience shown you so far? Marusic: We\u2019ve learned a lot since we got into the space. We\u2019re fortunate to have Dino Pagliarello, who truly knows production print, which allowed us to think\u2014as a new entry\u2014how to do things differently. 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